WW Calls Out the Merc (Updated)

Submitted by LynnS on Thu, 06/21/2007 - 2:08pm.

It's Thursday so it must be time for another snipefest between WW and the Merc (most of which I ignore, frankly, or that'd be all I'd have time for around here). Starting the fusillade this week is WW's Ben Waterhouse, who comes this close to calling the Merc's Alison Hallett a plagiarizer. No returning salvo from the Merc, but just bide a wee. I'm sure they're working on it.

Update: Alison Hallett asks, Am I a Plagiarist?

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 06/21/2007 - 2:50pm.

Give us ten minutes...

Submitted by Erik Henriksen on Thu, 06/21/2007 - 3:16pm.

It's weird: I had the pleasure of meeting Ben at the Mercury's AAN shindig last weekend, and he seemed like a nice enough guy. At the very least, he didn't seem like the sort of guy to toss out a half-hearted plagiarism accusation.

Looking at both reviews, yeah, I can see his point--but I also think the similarities are due to the fact that Ben and Alison are reviewing the same play, and having similar issues with similar problems within that play. This is about both of them pointing out the play's weaknesses, and agreeing on them--it's not about Alison getting all klepto with stuff from, of all places, the Willamette Week. After all, both she and Ben have been writing about theater for a while; one would think if Alison was a plagiarist, she'd have proven herself to be one before. Except she isn't, she hasn't, and she didn't here.

Another weird thing: If Ben genuinely feels Alison stole his review--and that is what he's dancing around, but not coming out and saying--he should have nutted up and just outright accused her of plagiarism. But instead, he offers a vague, cutesy semi-accusation with that condescending tone that his writing sometimes takes on. And he does it in a public forum, no less. Which makes me think he knows he's full of shit, but he also knows this is as good of a way to get attention as any.

Submitted by LynnS on Thu, 06/21/2007 - 4:45pm.

Let's just say I didn't notice this from the RSS feed (though Ben himself didn't point it out).

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Lynn Siprelle * Fairy Blogmother

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 06/21/2007 - 3:26pm.

I don't know, Erik! I went over both pieces with my fine tooth comb, and found several outright identical phrases.

Such as:

"In 1925"

"Floyd Collins" (they both italicized it, too!)

"is a play"

"Stumptown Stages' production"

"Artists' Repertory Theater's John Kretzu"

I'm SHOCKED.

-AJR

Submitted by Alison Hallett on Thu, 06/21/2007 - 3:45pm.

If Ben genuinely feels that I stole his review--and that is what he's dancing around, but not coming out and saying--he should had nutted up and just outright accused me of plagiarism. But instead, he offers a vague, cutesy semi-accusation with that condescending tone that his writing sometimes takes on. And he does it in a public forum, no less. Which makes ME think he knows he's full of shit, but he also knows this is as good of a way to get attention as any.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 06/21/2007 - 5:12pm.

now *that* was funny.

Submitted by Freelancer on Thu, 06/21/2007 - 6:01pm.

Alison,

If that's really you, your post on the blog was a perfect response. Plus posting both stories for people to review also proves your point.

Covering the same play and coming to the same conclusions doesn't mean you stole his material.

It's cool seeing a alternative paper like the Merc matter more and more and get more and more attention.

If they are doing stuff like this to you guys, it means they are afraid of ya.

Keep it up!

A Merc fan...

Submitted by Alison Hallett on Fri, 06/22/2007 - 11:28am.

Thanks for the comment. This whole thing is a little ridiculous.

And as for keeping it up, we plan on it!

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 06/21/2007 - 6:24pm.

Just run both articles through a plagiarism checking program (such as doccop or copyscape) and see what the results are.

These types of programs are used in academia and in professional writing to determine plagiarism in papers, websites, and in articles.

Both plagiarism programs showed ZERO, nada, nothing, no plagiarism at all. Not even a small percentage.

Ben, you are acting like an ass. Willamette Week you are idiots for backing Ben on this and my respect for your paper is shot if you continue to do so. Finally, Ben - I think you owe Alison and the Mercury an apology. Willamette Week – get it together.

Submitted by Cablenut on Thu, 06/21/2007 - 8:20pm.

My old soccer coach used to tell me that there was "nothing new under the sun. Everything you do has been done before, and everything said has been said before."

He was an amazing soccer coach, but didn't seem to be impressed by my killer saves when I was playing goalie :-(

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Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 06/21/2007 - 10:13pm.

"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done; and there is no new thing under the sun." --Ecclesiastes 1:9

As for the WW vs. Merc flap -- totally junior high school.

Submitted by Cablenut on Thu, 06/21/2007 - 11:17pm.

I was a kid, whadidIknow? Plagarism, smagerism to an 8 year old.

BTW: if my old soccer coach reads this: I love you, Dad :-)

No, really...my dad was my old soccer coach.

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Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 06/21/2007 - 11:27pm.

Let's face it: WW is on its last legs. Reduced to this kind of flimsy complaint.....

Submitted by tvprintradio on Sat, 06/23/2007 - 6:15pm.

and the Merc is increasingly the voice for 35 year-old 22 year-old wannabes.
Fellas, you can't go back. And guess what? There is a herd of young folks who think you're so old-school it hurts.
The revenge of old age is sweet.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Tue, 06/26/2007 - 9:15am.

Ben didn't accuse Alison of stealing, he accused her of not doing her homework. The Mercury on the other hand steals ideas form freelance writers and gives the ideas to their staff writers. That is theft. The Mercury is waaaaay more unethical than the WW. The Mercury also spends all day taunting not only the WW but the rest of Portland. They got a little back and started crying like school girls.
Thicken your skin Merc, don't cry when you get a little of your own medicine.

Submitted by Tv_Viewer on Tue, 06/26/2007 - 4:23pm.

Anonymous Source wrote:
Ben didn't accuse Alison of stealing, he accused her of not doing her homework. The Mercury on the other hand steals ideas form freelance writers and gives the ideas to their staff writers. That is theft.

Hate to be the detail police: but do you have any proof? (Besides your word)

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Tue, 06/26/2007 - 5:43pm.

Tv_Viewer wrote:

Hate to be the detail police: but do you have any proof? (Besides your word)

I wasn't one of the writers in question, but I know some of them that this has happened to.

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