Lars v Teddy

Submitted by LynnS on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 1:51pm.

Via the comments we get pointed to breaking news that Lars Larson has filed with the Oregon Bar to get Gov. Ted Kulongoski's law license revoked:

The subject at issue is whether Kulongoski knew about but did nothing to report Portland Mayor and Governor Neil Goldschmits' sexual abuse of a 14-year-old girl. ...

"We are focusing on more serious issues than a complaint from a talk show host," said spokeswoman Patty Wentz.

oh snap.
This is the same issue that's dragging down Multnomah Co. Sheriff Bernie Giusto. Wonder if the media types who knew but didn't say will ever face the professional music?

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Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 2:53pm.

Lars Larson is such an idiot.

Submitted by phhoot (not verified) on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 2:53pm.

Goofy talk radio stunts aside, Lynne since YOU were in media many years what did YOU ever hear? Nothing? Can you name ONE reporter who DID know something and kept quiet? Proof? Far as I know it is a former speechwriter who has made the accusations against Kulongoski and Guisto. Fred Leonhardt, is the former speechwriter and I am wondering if he is now pointing at ANY media folks, print or broadcast, who knew and kept silent?

Submitted by LynnS on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 3:12pm.

All I've heard about media people who knew are rumors. Me, I heard nothin' at the time, but I wasn't ever placed to know much political stuff.

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Lynn Siprelle * Fairy Blogmother

Submitted by tvprintradio on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 3:55pm.

is about as high as Bush's. Less than zero.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 5:00pm.

Shouldn't the lawyer, now governor have said something to someone about the rape of a 14 year old? Lars may be a jerk, but raping 14 year old and being one of the people who covered it up beyond criminal. Anyone with daughters want to comment on the actions of the governor, the sheriff or Goldschmidt?

Submitted by bigboy on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 5:34pm.

I'm not so sure I would pooh pooh this as a stunt that won't get any results. Steve Duin has talked to the bar and it sounds like Kulongoski being sanctioned by the bar is a real possibility.

Submitted by pdxcess on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 7:46pm.

It's a stunt, but a well-calculated one. Lars gets to talk about the news, BE the news, and give himself a hot topic, now that Guisto's feet are to the fire. Despite my aversion to Lars using the situation to his professional advantage, it does raise a nagging issue for Oregonians, journalists or not. Neil Goldschmidt had vast range of influence, and a lot of people rode his coattails to where they are today. If it can be proven that these folks knew that Neil was banging a 14 year old while he was mayor, and they covered it up, what kind of people are they? It's relevant that we know, especially since Guisto seems to be a chip off the old block. At least his (alleged) improper conduct is with women of legal age!

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Mon, 10/15/2007 - 9:56pm.

investigative reporter I had ever worked with... did he know anything and when did he know it? I'm pretty sure he heard the rumors if they were flying around out there. He knew stuff before many people in government did. seems like a lot of grandstanding.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 8:53am.

Im not a journalist or a elected public offical, so I dont know. However, elected public officals such as sherriff and governor are held to ethical standards to respect the law and required to report these issues. Are Journalists held to the same ethical and legal standard? Meaning are Journalists required to tell if a law is broken? I wouldnt think so since they are not elected officals holding a office.

As for Lars, he didnt start this. I believe he is just holding the same standards Gusto is getting to our governor.

Submitted by Freelancer on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 10:50am.

This idea came straight from Steve Duin's column in the Sunday Oregonian. I hope Lars gave Duin credit, but I won't be surprised if he didn't.

As someone with two daughters, the alleged conduct (has it been proven as fact?) by the former governor is beyond criminal. Those who covered it up, or knew about it and did nothing should be ashamed and run from office. That's just my opinion.

While I don't like Lars and his methods, after reading Duin's column, I know of several people who were considering filing a complaint with the bar.

A 14-year-old girl had her life destroyed by one of the most powerful men in the state, and too many people have benefited from enabling a sexual predator.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Tue, 10/16/2007 - 3:07pm.

I love this - over half the comments about this very serious matter are anti-Lars. How about some balance people - I was under the impression that this board was visited by a handful of journalists.

If Ted knew something and did not report it - he's GUILTY of an ethics violation at the least. Thank God (yes, God) that the Oregon State Bar isn't filled with political hacks like this board (and our various "news" departments around the state) is.

To the extreme leftist posters here: Don't go away mad - as a matter of fact don't go away at all; please stay and continue to show your true colors. Those of us who know right from wrong are taking note.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 10/17/2007 - 9:33am.

No, Lars has ALWAYS been the problem.

Submitted by rfaaberg on Wed, 10/17/2007 - 4:18pm.

Why is Lars trying to ruin this state and continually bashes virtually all incumbent public officials?

Why doesn't he go home and try to ruin/bash his own state? (WA)

Does he do his brand of bashing for hours on his national gig also? Never listened.

Viewer Rick

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 10/17/2007 - 4:56pm.

Why is he trying to ruin this state by covering up child rape? Why does he keep lying to me about raising my taxes? Why does he give people 20% raises when he says the state has no money? Why doesn't he go home to Missouri and ruin/lie to his own state?

Submitted by rfaaberg on Wed, 10/17/2007 - 10:07pm.

*redacted* ;-)

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 10/17/2007 - 11:20am.

It's not that Larson is necessarily wrong here, but what must be understood is that everything he does is out of personal ambition and/or animosity. Over the years, he has thoroughly demonstrated his own lack of journalistic ethics. He could never again get a job as a professional reporter, and he knows it, which is why he clings so fiercely to the dying medium of AM radio.

Freelancer, Goldschimdt has acknowledged that the relationship (or whatever you want to call it) did indeed take place. However, the idea that his conduct was "beyond criminal" is absurd. Yes, it was unbecoming of a public official, and yes, it was/is illegal in the state of Oregon, but it hardly compares to forcible rape. Let's get a grip: Many countries (and, I believe, at least a few states) consider 14-year-olds to be capable of giving consent. It's not like he assaulted a five-year-old.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 10/17/2007 - 6:35pm.

He raped a person, stop making excuses. It was not unbecoming it was criminal. Other countries allow all kinds of things, we don't. It is against the law for 40 year old adults to have sex with 14 year olds. Do not condone criminal behavior. It was criminal then, only his friends covered it up, don't be one of the next group to help cover a rape up.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 10/18/2007 - 9:05am.

Anonymous Source wrote:

Freelancer, Goldschimdt has acknowledged that the relationship (or whatever you want to call it) did indeed take place. However, the idea that his conduct was "beyond criminal" is absurd. Yes, it was unbecoming of a public official, and yes, it was/is illegal in the state of Oregon, but it hardly compares to forcible rape. Let's get a grip: Many countries (and, I believe, at least a few states) consider 14-year-olds to be capable of giving consent. It's not like he assaulted a five-year-old.

There are NO U.S. States where it is legal for a person over 21 to have a physical relationship with a person 14 years old. It was rape then and it remains rape even in todays society. LARS isn't the problem, people like YOU ARE. Neil & Ted are perfect examples of old-school politicians who believe that they can avoid answering tough questions and cover up the truth.

Ted IS guilty of an ethics violation if he knew about Neil's CRIMINAL ACTS. This isn't going to go away without answers because the majority of Oregonians understand right from wrong.

Submitted by Freelancer on Thu, 10/18/2007 - 9:51am.

When a older man, in power -- he was the Mayor of Portland I believe -- takes advantage of a child, it's beyond criminal. Period.

If you don't get that, you must not have kids.

When was she supposed to report this? When he was governor?

Unbecoming of a public official -- that's how you would characterize a crime that had a child victim and was covered up?

Not being mean, just saying it's thinking like yours that allows illegal actions like this to happen.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 10/17/2007 - 1:13pm.

Somebody should investigate Lar's bad marriages and his ownership of apartments as a slum lord, not to mention all the kick backs he gets for promoting on air.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 10/18/2007 - 10:54am.

Apparently, If it were up to you, we should just allow politicians (whom you appear to sympathize with) the right to break the law, while you hunt down people you disagree with. Another example of the "if you disagree with me, you need to be silenced" edict of many in this town now.

Last time I checked, I'd say that allegations and admissions of child rape are more serious than anything Lars is accused of (and I really can't stand Lars). Regardless of what side of the political spectrum you're on, these allegations need to be taken seriously.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 9:12pm.

It wasn't Freelancer that was defending politicians, it was an anonymous post.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 10/17/2007 - 2:11pm.

His media staff continue to fumble the issue. All he has to do is deal with the questions head on and its over. Blowing off KGW yesterday and being seen walking away from the questions made him look very weak and that he had something to hide.
If he can't say no, he didn't know anything about Goldschmit or he is reluctant to do so, Teddy the K has some serious problems. Doesn't he appoint the head of the DPSST?

Submitted by Zamboni on Wed, 10/17/2007 - 6:29pm.

...the gov's decision to stomp off in a huff made him look a) guilty and b) uncaring.

It could have gone worse if he had pulled his raincoat up over his head and covered the camera lens with his hand (The Perp's Heisman, I believe it is called).

Bad coaching from the PR team, bad behavior from the gov - this ain't the way to make it go away.

“There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell them.”
-- Louis Armstrong

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 10/17/2007 - 6:08pm.

It took along time to confirm the Goldschmidt story, perhaps too long, but none the less, you can't print rumors. There are rumors about a different previous mayor and physical abuse of his wife, and I've even heard nasty rumors about Lars too... what if they are true? What if they are NOT true?
Look at what happened to Robert Ball when he repeated the rumors about Sam Adams.
I could see where Guisto might have been in a position to know the truth via Margie Goldschmidt, but Kulongoski?

Submitted by rfaaberg on Wed, 10/17/2007 - 9:00pm.

You appear to have a lot to share with us Oregonians, if you could somehow.

Viewer Rick

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 10/18/2007 - 10:15am.

I'm sure people in power hear rumors all the time about other people in power. Is the current Governor required to report rumors he may have heard?

If he had first hand knowledge of the incidents, of course he should have reported what he knew, regardless if he was required by the Bar or not.

If anyone had first hand knowledge they are required by decency to report the abuses whether they be reporter, mayors aide or pizza delivery guy. Let's just see how this all plays out.

Submitted by Tv_Viewer on Thu, 10/18/2007 - 4:18pm.

Lars isn't alone another complaint has been filed against the governor. According to an article on kgw.com. http://tinyurl.com/2fvsra

I'm going to throw in my two cents: Ted is innocent until someone can prove that he is guilty. But it is worth having the conversation. If Teddy did cover something up then he needs to be held accountable. If he isn't covering something up then he has nothing to fear.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 10:25am.

Tv_Viewer wrote:
Lars isn't alone another complaint has been filed against the governor. According to an article on kgw.com. http://tinyurl.com/2fvsra

I'm going to throw in my two cents: Ted is innocent until someone can prove that he is guilty. But it is worth having the conversation. If Teddy did cover something up then he needs to be held accountable. If he isn't covering something up then he has nothing to fear.

PERFECT.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Fri, 10/19/2007 - 1:04am.

Is there such a thing as payola in talk radio?

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