Why, oh why?

Submitted by SeattleTVGuy on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 8:25am.

My big pet peeve on sites like this is the anonymous posters. My two cents:

If you regularly post on this site, you should register for a screen name. It's not the once-in-a-while posters that bug me. It's the regular posters. Not that there's true credibility that comes with it, but after a while, I think (and hope) you tend to get more respect. I like to recognize the person (or screen name of a stranger) to whom I'm replying, as it makes it easier to see their point of view based on previous posts.

Not that this is front-page worthy, but it's sure something for Mr. and Mrs. Anonymous to think about...

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Submitted by shifty on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 7:02pm.

My guess? They're TV people, and they're dumb about technology. They probably also don't have accounts with sites like YouTube or Digg or anywhere else that will let them use the site without an account.

Also, they're paranoid. They think their bosses will figure out who they are from the way they write. That's how they caught Ted Kaczynski...

Submitted by SeattleTVGuy on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 11:02pm.

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Also, they're paranoid. They think their bosses will figure out who they are from the way they write.

As well most people should. I'm 95% confident that if my bosses had a problem with something I posted, it wouldn't take much deduction to figure out who I am. That's why I'm careful. I know I've held back writing some things because I know it could get me in trouble.

If I REALLY had something big (and dangerous) to share, I might post anonymously, but I've also messaged Lynn to have her post it. There are ways around it.

It's really about knowing how to word things appropriately, and know when to bey anonymous. And heck, we're in the media -- most of us should know how to write carefully, right?

Submitted by ZehnKatzen on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 8:04pm.

I don't comment as much as I want (turns out I don't always have that much to say) but when I found myself commenting more than once or twice I thought, heck, just get a login.

I've prided myself on being a fairly public person in the local scene, if not the most popular. At least when you read one of my comments, what you see is what you get. That's me there.

Also, commenting is just plain easier. You get a blog to post prattle if you want. You don't have to wait for your comments to be approved. You get a little more credibility, at least as a wag. What's not to like about this.

The last poster made a remark about TV people. I don't agree so much that they're dumb about tech (although I could be wrong; I own a Mac, work on PCs at work, and I know people at work who work on PCs all day long and still couldn't tell you how to double-click to start an app) but that it's just not prudent to post your opinion about the inner workings of your company (on which point you're under an assumption of confidentiality anyway) and if you have a bad thing to say about anybody you could probably expect to wind up fired.

I'm not saying anything necessarily about the state of Portland TV or any of their personnel. I think the above is a common thing to consider whereever you go in our society; I recall specifically the flight attendant blogger who was canned after she posted some extremely tame glamour shots of herself in the cabin of a plane that was being cleaned (the most she flashed was a little leg. That said, it was some pretty hot leg ...)

Further disclaimer: I do not have a job at a television station. I would not turn one down if one were offered, however. One of you TV stations must have some need for an avuncular underemployed graphic designer with a PCC degree who loves blogging and writing. C'mon you guys!

Samuel John Klein, a/k/a ZehnKatzen
samuel.klein@gmail.com or zehnkatzen@gmail.com
graphically involved at http://zehnkatzen.blogspot.com

Submitted by Art Vandalay on Sun, 03/30/2008 - 8:05pm.

I agree. I often post anonymously because everyone else does.

Submitted by rifleman69 on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 12:07pm.

And you want to be my latex salesman?

Submitted by rocky on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 7:35am.

to sign in. I'm just a viewer and I get my news off the Internet. This is a good place to find out what goes behind the scenes in television.

Submitted by mfrk on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 9:15am.

I mean seriously.

1. You're from Seattle.
2. This whole site is designed for those who want to stay anonymous. Who cares if they post frequently?
3. What good does a username do? You still won't know who they are.
4. Lynn moderates the comments for a reason.
5. I post anonymously all the time because I'm lazy and don't want to log in. I'm also paranoid, too.
6. More respect? If you're looking for respect on a silly blog (sorry, Lynn) then you've got to examine your priorities.
7. You're from Seattle. This is Oregon Media Insiders.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 11:52am.

Whats going on at KOIN.com? I haven't been able to log on since Friday night. Does anyone know?

Submitted by SeattleTVGuy on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 4:15pm.

1. I lived and worked at an Oregon TV station recently for a few years recently. I also have a vested interest in what happens in Oregon: my company owns one TV station in Portland, and the station I work at is seen throughout Oregon. In addition, some very specific aspects of my job are the production of content for airing in Portland.
2. Who says this site is 'designed' for those who want to stay anonymous? It's designed for 'Oregon Media Insiders.'
3. As I said, a username simply helps fellow readers to know you're the same person responding to a post you made earlier. I have the 'guts' to reply to you using my username because it might make more sense that if it said 'Submitted by Anonymous' above the post.
4. Lynn rarely truly moderates comments. She can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's her belief that censorship shouldn't be necessary. Lynn only moderates to cover her butt legally or comment that specific information is known to be untrue.
5. Fine, if you're paranoid. That's up to you. It's for the little posts here and there that I like to see a name for (y'know, the ones you're too lazy to log in for).
6. Perhaps respect is the wrong word. Understanding might be right one. It's not so say that *I'm* right, but that you seeing my previous posts might help you understand my point of view.
7. See 1.

Submitted by Freelancer on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 11:13pm.

1. Anyone who busts out the "you are from Seattle so your opinion doesn't count" as their number one should post anonymously.
2. The site is designed for morons to argue on the Internet. Whether it's anonymous or not I think is up to Lynn.
3. Usernames are fun. It gives you the feeling of being a superhero, or a trucker. A fat trucker. Yeah, I'm a trucker baby. Snowman, got your ears on good buddy?
4. I love Lynn. I am just saddened she hasn't given us a Battlestar Galactica post this week. You know, the new ones start Friday and I, like Joss Whedon before me, am going to answer my phone all week "Freelancer Actual." WAIT! I'm not a trucker, I'm a viper pilot with the callsign Freelancer. Oh yeah.
5. You are not paranoid if they are after you. And as someone who makes number lists on Internet postings, I can see why they are after you. Anonymity is good in your case. In fact, all of our cases because, let's face it, user name or no, we should all be working right now.
6. It's a proven fact that you can't find respect on the Internet. Respect requires relationships, relationships require consequences, there are no consequences on the Internet, unless of course you try to sell a fake kid on Craigslist -- had that guy tried to sell a real kid, he would have been fine.
7. Again with the Seattle thing eh? You can't even bust out seven good reasons why SeattleTVGuy is wrong? How about make a crack about his very creative name? No? OK, go with what works for you. The "my dad is better than your dad" argument. I can see it really worked.

Anyway, I am done making myself giggle (and yes, I know I am the only person who finds this post funny), which is why now I am off to bed after a hard day.

Continue to on...

Freelancer Actual.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 11:47am.

SeattleTVGuy wrote:
My big pet peeve on sites like this is the anonymous posters. My two cents:

If you regularly post on this site, you should register for a screen name.

Would you like some cheese with your whine ????

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 2:59pm.

I just have a monster *crush* on Julie Grauert, but am too damn shy...

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 6:50pm.

OK, I've gotta chime in here...

The first word that comes to mind is: Dork. Whether it applies to me or you, we can let anyone that has managed to waste their time reading this whole diatribe determine to whom it applies. Dear Seattle Guy...If you were really serious or had a valid point, it all went out the window when you used "Seattle Guy" instead of your REAL NAME.

Dork

Submitted by ZehnKatzen on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 4:48pm.

Anonymous Source wrote:
If you were really serious or had a valid point, it all went out the window when you used "Seattle Guy" instead of your REAL NAME

Okay.

What are we to make of yours then?

Samuel John Klein, a/k/a ZehnKatzen
samuel.klein@gmail.com or zehnkatzen@gmail.com
graphically involved at http://zehnkatzen.blogspot.com

Submitted by Art Vandalay on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 7:50pm.

I think you're a little off base saying "who cares you're from Seattle". Anyone who feels like commenting should be welcome here. I've read good insight from the Spokane and the Seattle folk. Being "from the outside" often allows an alternate view that the incestuous Portland media simply can't objectively see.

Submitted by mfrk on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 2:18am.

1. I just think it's funny when someone with a name blaring they're not from around here tries to tell us how to function. Wouldn't have as big a problem with "PortlandTVGuy" or something.
2. Isn't this a little off blog-topic? Why not get a moderator section?
3. No one should tell me how to post. I'll post how I want, following rules.
4. I like numbering.

Submitted by ZehnKatzen on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 4:57pm.

"You're from Seattle" is a pretty weak criticism in the context.

Just because you're from Seattle doesn't mean you also aren't allowed to opine on anonymity on an Oregon-based media commentary board. It also doesn't necessarily mean that someone is exactly "coming down here and telling us all what to do"; nobody abdicated and left STG in charge. We don't have to "do as he says". I certainly don't feel as though we're being lectured.

I think he raised a valid point about anonymity and why some people post here without using their real names. It's a subdiscussion that will permeate businesses like this as long as businesses like this exist.

Samuel John Klein, a/k/a ZehnKatzen
samuel.klein@gmail.com or zehnkatzen@gmail.com
graphically involved at http://zehnkatzen.blogspot.com

Submitted by LynnS on Mon, 03/31/2008 - 11:37pm.

...at least this week.

Multiple responses: I moderate primarily to keep out spam. I let almost everything else through except sexual innuendo involving real people, and when I get impatient about anonymous "me too" posts. I am not your mama. She should have taught you to be polite, and if she did, and you're still acting like a dickweed on the internets anonymously or no, well, shame on you.

STG's point, and it's one I've made since the site was open, is that it's *handy* to have an account with a screen name. It doesn't have to point to who you are at all. It just gives people a chance to get to know your posts.

I understand why some people are so paranoid that they won't even do that, but I tell you this: If someone comes at me with a subpoena, posting anonymously doesn't help you. Your IP address is logged. Having said that, I seriously doubt anyone's going to be stupid enough to subpoena me. I can't do anything to stop anyone from successfully doing that, but I have good contacts in national media and I'd make sure everyone knew exactly how douchebaggy XYZ Corp is. I wouldn't be the one with the black eye.

As for BSG: I'm going to be at the OAPB shindig, and I don't know if they have SciFi channel on their cable setup. If they do, ROOM PARTY! If they don't, I'll have to catch a repeat.

"Freelancer Actual." hee.


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Lynn Siprelle * Fairy Blogmother

Submitted by Tv_Viewer on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 8:57pm.

Lynn

Thank you for running this website and being upfront about the moderating policies. Other sites could learn a thing or two from you. I learned a long time ago: don't write anything down in an e-mail that you would not say to someone's face. Have fun and hope that they get the sci fi channel in your hotel.

Submitted by Shannon (not verified) on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 2:49pm.

When you post a comment, even anonymously, you should always be aware of the possibility that it could come back to haunt you. I like to air on the side of caution.

Although I like to peruse the latest scuttlebutt on here because I work in TV news, I rarely comment, even anonymously.

My reason - the possibility of losing my job, or at the very least getting a stern talking to, is not worth it just so I can air my rants.

It's not that I don't have gripes about work (everyone does), but what's the point in complaining? If I want change, I go to my boss and tell him what my problem is. If it's within his power, he helps me out. Some things he can't help me with and that's ok too... it is a business after all and there are reasons that certain decisions are made, whether I agree with them or not.

Submitted by TALPDX on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 6:29pm.

I've been reading online today of "Black Tuesday” at many CBS owned and operated television stations across the county. Permanent layoffs of both on air and behind the scenes staffers at all levels at many CBS owned and operated stations.

A few years ago, CBS was spending a fortune hiring all kinds of talent to help boost sagging ratings at many of its O and O's.

Submitted by ZehnKatzen on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 5:02pm.

She's a professional blogger who works at KPIX CBS 5 in SF and just watched senior news staff with decades more experience than her walk out the door because of that ...

I wrote about that on this site here,, and her thoughts are at her own personal blog here. Very very frank and honest. Looks like it hurt.

Samuel John Klein, a/k/a ZehnKatzen
samuel.klein@gmail.com or zehnkatzen@gmail.com
graphically involved at http://zehnkatzen.blogspot.com

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 6:36pm.

I find it interesting that someone who is using a screen name is complaining about people who wish to post as "Anonymous". No check that I really find it as lame to complain about.

A person using a screen name to complain about someone's credibility because they choose to be Anonymous lacks credibility of their own in my eyes.

As a new reader here I enjoy reading the efforts of Lynn and her writers.

It should be the statement that gets judged not the person who makes it. If a person makes a strong enough argument then it will stand on their own merits NOT because Dan Rather (a very bad example) signed off on it.

On my own site I sign my name because it is MY choice as a member of the media but for now I am going to post this as anonymous because it is a choice and as a member of the media we should always support choices.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Tue, 04/01/2008 - 6:42pm.

"I have the 'guts' to reply to you using my username because it might make more sense that if it said 'Submitted by Anonymous' above the post."

I missed this but I could not help but laugh at this response.

I am sorry but where I write we get tons of nasty posts submitted by those who use screen names and not their own real names. I call those who will hide behind screen names as gutless because it is easy to attack someone when you are hiding behind a screen name especially on a public interactive site.

It does not take guts to respond using a screen name but rather more courage to use your own name.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 04/02/2008 - 12:31am.

Uh, credibility? Why should I care what you think?

This is the internet, and these are media people. That word is usually used in the same sentence as either other word about as often as Bush and smart.

Submitted by Shawn on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 2:45am.

I know that there are almost daily posts about how this is not a Seattle Media Insiders blog, but I feel this announcement some may want to hear.

KOMO 4 anchor Kathi Goertzen is going to have brain surgery tomorrow morning (Thursday) in Seattle. This is Kathi's third surgery for a non cancerous brain tumor that is near her brain stem. I've provided a link below so you can view a video message from Kathi and it gives ways to send Kathi your get well wishes.

God Bless you Kathi. You will be in my prayers.

http://www.komotv.com/about/kathi/

Submitted by SeattleTVGuy on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 5:54am.

Yup, I just read about it in the P-I earlier this morning. Not fun at all!

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 8:28am.

Under what circumstances would someone want to supeaona your IP address. This is a forum almost exclusively based on opinion. ("Rank Gossip", no?)You are free to say whatever you want, as long as it's your opinion. "I think the ND is a complete ass", or "She's as dumb as a doorknob", or "That was the worse coverage I've seen" is not libel.

We are free to express opinions, and an opinion will never be considered by a judge as libel (slander if ya say it).

Submitted by LynnS on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 9:14am.

Nevertheless, I've already had lawyers call me on behalf of one TV station in town--multiple times.

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Lynn Siprelle * Fairy Blogmother

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 04/03/2008 - 11:08am.

I meant "worst" grammar police.

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