Lars vs Hartmann

Submitted by LynnS on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 11:07am.

Pop the popcorn, kids! WW reports this morning that KXL's Lars Larson is going after KPOJ morning guy and recently ascended AAR talker Thom Hartmann over a failed physical in 1968:

In the O's profile, Peter Ames Carlin quotes Hartmann saying of the Vietnam War that "Lyndon Johnson wanted to kill me." Carlin then writes, "Still, Hartmann joined the Air Force in 1968, thinking he could work as an engineer, thus avoiding dangerous duty. Quickly realizing he was wrong, Hartmann managed to flunk an end-of-basic-training physical, earning a quick ticket back to civilian life."

Lars Larson pounced on that admission. ... In an article this week for the online version of the national conservative journal Human Events (humanevents.com), Larson wrote, "From this it's only reasonable to infer that Hartman lied his way out of the Air Force, which is a federal crime."

Hartmann didn't have a comment for WW since he was out of town, but if I were a betting woman, in a word fight between Larson and Hartmann I'd bet on Thom. Extra butter, please.

Update: Hartmann fires back:

"I was not unhappy to get out, Hartmann said, stressing that he got an honorable discharge.

Then borrowing from Gertrude Stein's observation about her Oakland hometown, Hartmann said of Larson's charge: "There's no there."

Hm. Not as buttery as I hoped for, but it's still early.

Editorial note: A correspondent points out that either Mr. Hartmann or WWeek misquoted Ms. Stein: The correct quote is "There's no there, there."

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Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 2:10pm.

Only in the always-looking-for-something-to-be-outraged-about universe of Lars Larson could "managed to flunk" somehow be reasonably inferred as lying. Puleeeze! And BTW, where did Larson's proud military service occur?

Submitted by Freelancer on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 2:39pm.

Anyone who never was in the military, went through basic or served their country in the armed services should stay very far away from being critical of people who did, or attempted to do.

Larson is nothing more than a windbag looking for ratings. Personally, I could care less what this cheap knock-off of Rush Limbaugh thinks.

Submitted by LynnS on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 2:42pm.

Larson was 15 when Vietnam ended.

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Submitted by Freelancer on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 2:58pm.

I didn't mean veterans -- they are a tier higher in my book -- I was just talking about people who try to serve their country.

As opposed to Lars, who, instead of serving his country, choses to bitch about it.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 3:58pm.

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Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 3:28pm.

Lynn, Lars may have only been 15 when Vietnam ended, but he could have still done military service three years later and fought in several wars.

At least Hartmann enlisted. It is no crime to fail basic training.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 3:41pm.

Lars would have been about 23 when the U.S. fought in Grenada. Why didn't he join then?

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 3:53pm.

Nicely done!

He's in top form, making sure others look bad for whatever reason, while at the same time ignoring the hyopcracy and crime he promotes, in the form of the GOP, each day.

That will get him some numbers, which is all he is about these days.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 4:56pm.

Afraid to put up my criticism about the 15 year old never serving?

Submitted by LynnS on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 5:40pm.

a) I'm terrified of Lars Larson

b) I'm a right-wing nutter

c) You're a doofus who hasn't read the site guidelines

Correct answer: C.

If you don't like having your comments held for moderation (necessary for anonymous comments--I mean, unless you guys WANT the site to be overwhelmed with spam), get an account. Then you won't have to undergo moderation, and when I approve your complaint about nonexistent censorship you won't look quite so silly.

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Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 8:28pm.

It's YOUR site...censor however & whenever you want!

Submitted by potatohead on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 8:43pm.

That's it, subject says it all.

Back OT: Thom is smarter than to allow this to fester. He's gonna say what needs to be said, then take a non-escalating position from there. His real focus is advocacy for the middle class and America in general.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 9:28pm.

Hartmann saying he was honorably discharged is meaningless. If he faked his way to flunking the physical, then the deception would get him the honorable discharge.

So that is no explanation. The question is whether he faked something to flunk. Only he can answer that, and at this point, who could possibly prove whatever he says wrong?

Personally, I would be interested to hear the details of his flunking the physical. He will be on air talking about the war, talking about Bush, perhaps saying Bush lied us into the war ...

If he enlisted to avoid getting drafted, then "managed to flunk" the physical when it became clear that he might face dangerous duty, I think it is relevant.

Submitted by Christiana on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 10:18pm.

guy that is now working for KATU?

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 8:25am.

They are two different people.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 10:31am.

is Thom Jensen.

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Wed, 02/21/2007 - 10:25pm.

is able to continually get people's panties in a wad proves that what he's doing works. If everyone ignored him...nothing would happen. Guess what? Everybody isn't ignoring him. That is all that really matters. Love him, hate him, he's there. Drives some of ya nuts, don't it?
BTW, there won't be any "war" between Lars and Hartmann. Unless you call "spin" a war. If you like Hartmann and hate Lars, Hartmann wins. No matter what. End of story. And vice versa. Nothing to see here...move along.

Submitted by potatohead on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 12:05pm.

He does get his numbers, and that's the bottom line.

Taking him seriously is another matter.

Submitted by tvprintradio on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 8:14am.

struck back. Lars is a large target. A veritable hot air balloon, easy to puncture.
Only the radical right wing yapping poodles pay any attention to Lars. He's laughable, a buffoon.
And he's never recovered from being chopped into little bits by Randi Rhodes on her debut show when Lars called and suffered a major beat-down by Rhodes.

Submitted by potatohead on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 12:03pm.

He had time to hear what she was all about. Should have never called in.

Glad he did though, KPOJ has an excellent promo to run for a very long time.

IMHO, Thom is doing the right thing. Engaging in that tit for tat can only serve to marginalize them both. Better to just let Lars do that for himself.

Submitted by pdxexec50 on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 1:03pm.

Thoms has a decision to make:

Either engage Lars and join the circus...or engage America and be part of the solution. I've got my fingers crossed and my dollars committed..

Submitted by potatohead on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 1:46pm.

Thom will state his position and leave it at that.

I seriously doubt he will engage in any serious escalation on this. He's got numbers from a solid position, not by generating contraversy.

Nothing to gain.

Submitted by LynnS on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 2:52pm.

darn the luck. ;)

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Lynn Siprelle * Fairy Blogmother

Submitted by potatohead on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 4:12pm.

Looks like you are outta luck this time around.

---there is always Jack Bog though! All it takes is a coupla posts and a link or two to Blog Town and you've got yourself a mess!

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 7:45pm.

Larson, who cracked the Heavy 100 in Talkers 2007, - as did Hartman, should quit "reasonably inferring" anything and check the info out for himself before suggesting Hartman broke a federal law.
I can't believe how people can listen to Larson and not wonder where he would stand "on the issues" if a few Ds and Rs were rearranged.

What a bore.

Submitted by rfaaberg on Fri, 02/23/2007 - 1:58am.

Lars fills minutes of airtime - that's all. Yes, a bore.

Barely high school grad. No college degree. No military. No government. No children. Smokes and drinks (and advertises that). Kevin Mannix (what an ass). Ron Saxton (what a right-wing boob). Don McIntire. Doesn't even live in Oregon, but badmouths all of it. Badmouths Multnomah County, State of Oregon, Oregon Legislature, City of Portland, Portland School District, Beaverton School District, all labor unions, any print newspaper, and all officials thereof.

Am I close to covering it all? KXL's 4 hours worth of Lars is going to kill them.

Viewer Rick

Submitted by Anonymous Source (not verified) on Thu, 02/22/2007 - 7:59pm.

In the past two years, KPOJ has risen from Twenty-something in the ratings to Top Five, at the local Fox Noise Channel's expense.

It's all at www.radioandrecords.com and it is not pretty.

Lars trends older than O'Reilly, meaning he's going for the "I Remember The 1929 Depression (not Bush's) Like It Was Yesterday" crowd in their Depends.

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